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24" Southbend lathe weight (Jun 19, 2001) Weight of a South Bend Model A (Jun 15, 2004)
Weight of Chucks for 9" SBL? (Jan 25, 2002) 9" weight spec needed (Sep 4, 2004)
Heavy 10 weight? (May 19, 2004) Weights of the various South Bend (Feb 11, 2005)
 
24" Southbend lathe weight
I am going to a school auction in a week or so and there is a 24" Southbend lathe being offered. Can any one tell me the approx weight of this machine and the physical size of it. The preview is only a couple of hours before the actual sale and a long distance from my home, so I cannot look at it much before the auction. I would also like to know what the 24" designates, the swing, or distance between centers? I am very new to turning of anything, but have wanted a metal lathe for a long time and this may be my chance to get a machine at a reasonable price. Bob (907)
Bob, I hope you have a big shop, the 24" usually means the diameter of the part it will turn. As far as actual dimensions I have no idea but I believe it would be very large depending on the bed length. Can you contact the auctioneer and have them measure it for you. What do you plan to do with a lathe when you get one, that will determine how large of a swing you need. Most home shops use 6", 9", 10" or 12" with a few using lathes larger than this. I would think that you would need an overhead crane just to change the chuck on a 24" lathe. Of course if they listed it by bed length then none of this applies. Randy (908)
Bob I d have to agree with Randy and emphasize to try to contact the auctioneer or possibly the school. I just bought a 13 Sebastian lathe; it weighs about 2000 pounds. As to contacting the school, I went to an auction at a local tech school a couple of weeks ago. The inspection was supposedly from 8-10 AM the Saturday morning of the auction with the sale beginning at 10. I went out there several days ahead of time as they had a lot of machine shop equipment available in one of the shops. What I was interested in was an old Bridgeport mill that I felt was outside since it wasn't listed with the other shop equipment (I've been to their sales before). I found a guy in the supply department and asked him if he minded if I walked over and looked at the mill as I could see that it was in fact outside. He was more than agreeable; stating that there was more machine shop equipment in such such building about 3 blocks away and I was welcome to look at it also. After all THEY WANT TO GET THE BEST PRICE POSSIBLE so it don t hurt to see if they'll bend the rules. (909)
Bob, The 24" South Bend is a 16" with riser blocks at the headstock, tailstock and carriage. This is a BIG heap o' iron and weighs in at between 2500 and 3500 lbs and was available with bed lengths from 6' to 14'. My gut feeling is that if you are new to machining, it's too big for what you need. Also, since it is really a souped up 16" it probably lacks the "cajones" of a proper 24" swing machine. I've got a 13" and so far it handles everything I've needed it to do. I could do most of my work on a Heavy 10. Look at 9" or 10" lathes if this will be your first machine. Chris (910)
Thank all. I contacted the auctioneer last night and asked about loading facilities and he said there was nothing a couple of good men couldn't put in a truck! So I asked about the 24" Southbend and he said that he wasn't sure if it was the bed length or not, but it is definitely a bench top model. The hunt will continue and I will let the group know if I am successful in bagging this one. Chris I have already made that 'mistake' with a wood lathe. It is a monster and weighs in excess of 3000 lbs. Really looking for a small metal lathe and this sound like it will fit the bill. Bob (913)
Weight of Chucks for 9" SBL?
In order to retool after my loss, I've been researching 3 4-jaw chucks, and Rick's comment about the 6" Bison 6-jaw set-tru weighing too much makes me wonder if the 6" 3-jaw Bisons are too big for my 9" SBL. The one reference point I have left is an old 6" 3-jaw (which I have to replace) that weighs in at about 11 pounds. I'd like to get the Bison 6" threaded-back 3-jaw (Enco #271-4155), but its 19 pounds. It's expensive, and I'd have to wait a bit, but I'd like to stick with Bison for the 3-jaw unless all 6" Bisons are too heavy. I'm saying 6" because that's what my 9" had (before they were stolen), but if a 5" will serve just as well, that's an option. On the 4-jaw topic, looks like the 6" Enco direct mount (#271-6382, $104.95), weighing in at 10 Lbs. is a candidate. I take it that one can save a little money on a 4-jaw and use that savings towards a better 3-jaw. Paul R. (2933)
Paul, I'm at work and can't check things out, so I'll post more into tonight or over the weekend. What I recall is the 6" 4-jaw that came with my 9" is 20 lbs and does not seem too large at all. The Bison 6" 6-jaw set-thru was 28 or 29 lbs and that was clearly too much. I have a Bison 6" 4-jaw that I really like (with my Atlas 10") and it also doesn't seem too large but I don't recall its weight, I'm thinking 15 lbs, but it might be as much as 20. Instead of the Bison 6-jaw, I got a Bison 5" 3-jaw threaded back, 2-piece reversible jaws. Its a really nice chuck but the runout is excessive ( out of tolerance) and there is no easy way to convert it to adjustable (did this with a Bison 4" 3-jaw flat back and its wonderful, URL below). I have already obtained return authorization. I will get a Bison 5" flat back threaded backplate and make an adjustable chuck of it. Don't know the weights on these offhand, but they are often listed in J L or other catalogs URL to my adjustable backplate page: http://warhammer.mcc.virginia.edu/ty/7x10/vault/Lathes/7x10-7x12-Projects/SetTruBackplate/  Rick K. (2934)
What Rick is saying about the 5" 3 jaw chuck corresponds with the chart in "How To Run A Lathe" that gives the sizes for 3 4 jaw chucks for lathes from 9 to 16 in swing. Clearance of the jaws when the chuck is opened wide is also a consideration. There is no advantage to a larger chuck if the jaws hit the lathe bed when you open it up. RC (2936)
Well there it is, on page 55 of my 1944 printing of "How to Run a Lathe." Thanks, RC. It does indeed list a 6" 4-jaw and a 5" 3-jaw. Paul R. (2938)
Paul, On page #1 of the new, Feb/Mar "Machinist's Workshop" is an ad from New England Brass and Tool, Inc. that
shows Bison 3 and 6 jaws Set-Tru lathe chucks. What is new is they are offering smaller sizes. There is a 4" and 5" 3 jaw as well as the 6" and also there is a 5" six jaw with the 6" and 8". I have never see these smaller sizes. The 4", 3 jaw set-tru is 7.3 lbs and they are selling it for $335. The 5" 3 jaw set-tru is 11 lbs and goes for $350. That seems a little steep but I paid over $450.00 10 years ago for a "Yessa" 5" set-tru chuck from MSC. http://www.BrassAndTool.com/ I have never dealt with New England Brass and Tool, Inc., so I can't say anything about them one way or another. Has anyone had any experience with them? Tex (2939)
Paul: If it's any consolation, the 6" Cushman 3 jaw I have mounted on my 10K ("light 10", or glorified 9") weighs 20lbs. and I've not had any trouble with spindle bearings or anything else due to its heftiness. Raymond (2940)
Tex, I've bought a few things from them over the years. They seem to be good folks, had a few pleasant chats with the owners (Bob and Carolyn) at Cabin Fever last year. Not the cheapest folks in some cases, but they do seem to restrict the import products they offer to good through high quality stuff, rather than rounding out their line with junky filler. I'd think that anything from them will be of good quality based on experience and what I've seen at the show. I believe that Carolyn is the daughter of Fred Fowler, of Fowler tools. I've always been happy with anything made by Bison, although I don't have any of their chucks, just some centers, end mill holders, and odd adapters. The chucks I looked at operated smoothly and were very nicely finished. Stan (2941)
Dang, this is the info I was asking for a week or so ago and no one said anything. I have that book but didn't see it. There it is, page 55. It speaks to size and jaws hitting the bed, but not to weight. In the case of the 6" 6-jaw set-true chuck, the jaws didn't hit the bed when extended about as far as I'd use it, I decided it was just too heavy. I was afraid of undue spindle wear. No sense in ruining a beautiful machine. Rick K. (2942)
I wish there was some info on how to determine the allowable masses for these lathes - I want to machine a fairly heavy part on my SB 13" (also plain bearings, although bronze insert). I assume that the chuck mass allowances must assume some allowance for workpiece mass too. I think it is possible to look up the allowable loading on different types of plain bearing materials in pressure units - the question then is do we have to use a figure an allowance for the forces due to eccentric mounting of this mass, and cutting force, in addition to the force of gravity that pulls on the chuck. Chris (2943)
Chris I do not know how heavy those bronze pieces that I bored and turned for new bearings for one of out centerless grinders weighed but they were not light. Figure 7" diameter by 6" long and finish bored to 4.250/4.255 hanging free with out end support from my 5" Enco 3-jaw for boring. Of course I was in high back gear as I did not want to fling it across the room if it grabbed. No pictures of this were taken but I have pictures of the head block for a ETW light mill and the quill for it which were machined to a tight slip fit in the SB with the cheap Enco 5" 4-jaw direct mount. The block for the head is of 7075-T6 and was 6x6x3.25 when started. The bore for the quill was fitted by boring to the 304 SS quill which is 2.5000 diameter. I actually got them to close and am going to have to open thing up before I can finish it and mount it on the old Burke mill. JWE (2944)
Paul I would go with the 5" 3-jaw and 6" 4-jaw plain back from Enco and buy threaded blank backplates for them. I have used the 3-jaw for about ten years and it is just as good as the bison I bought in the mid 70s for twice as much. I just last year bought the 6" 4-jaw and it is large for the lathe but will work. Picture below shows how it fills things up. JWE (2945)
JWE, Are these mixed messages or not? Apples Oranges? On one hand, you talk about a huge chunk of bronze 7"dia x 6"long hung out on a 5" 3-jaw chuck, presumably saying that that much weight is not too much for a SB9. How much did that combination weigh? I believe the suggestion was there that this was no problem. You also talk about how a 6" chuck "fills up" the SB 6. Are not these different matters? (I know you posted them separately, but I'm trying to figure out which is which. The question I posed a week or so ago was about these questions. Whether a 6" chuck, 28 - 29 lbs being too much to run on a plain bearing SB9. It does fill up the lathe in one sense: apparent size, but it is not too large in terms of the jaws/ways etc. But, yes, it could be too much weight. So what about the weight range? When does the weight of a chuck/work piece induce significantly more wear on the spindle bearings? 20 lbs? 30 lbs? 40 lbs? Inquiring minds want to know and so does a guy with a really nice chuck, about to be returned. Rick K. (2946)
Paul: I just bought a 5" 3jaw bison chuck from a dealer in Toronto for $200 cdn. I think that it is a perfect size for my 9"SB It has the 2 piece jaws, and is more robust than the 3jaw SB chuck that it replaces. I dialed a piece of 5/8 drill rod and it ran out at .002" Not bad I thought The only down I find is that the chuck could be tighter on the spindle nose, but as I said .002 is not to bad. And you can't beat the price (about $120.00 suds). Pete (2947)
It's nice to see that I'm not the only one who believes in a cluttered work environment ;-) So much stuff, so little space. Matt (2948)
I have a 10" South Bend with a 6" Bison 3 jaw and also a 6" Bison 6 jaw. These are both heavy chucks but both work well and have done so for several years. This weight and more is not a problem for the spindle bearings as long as they are kept filled with clean oil. If not, then running with no chuck will cause damage. The Bison 6 jaw is a particularly nice chuck and worth the price. I find it easier to make custom jaws for the 3 jaw chuck though - fewer top jaws to make. Ward M. (2949)
Rick It is not so much the weight as the size. The 4-jaw as the picture shows really fills things up and the 3-jaw is even bigger and heavier as I have the 6" on the 12x36 at work and it is huge on comparison with the 5". JWE (2950)
Heavy 10 weight?
Anyone have an idea how much the heavy 10 SB weighs, with the cast front legs and rear cabinet? I will be picking it up in early June, and just wanted to get a general idea. I figured a U-haul 4x8' open trailer, with my engine hoist would be the way to transport, as someone on the list mentioned. I will be looking into a small pickup rental, as my F150 is on the fritz at the moment. Last time I rented a pickup from Enterprise, the clerk mentioned a per mileage charge, after the allotted 250 miles? I will have to look into this. I figured the cherry picker, with the low deck height u-haul trailer, would be the easiest to load and unload?  William (19144)
Just under 1000 lbs. Take a 1/4" screwdriver and 7/8" wrench and remove the tailstock, saddle/apron and it gets lighter. Some cord or wood blocks to hold the lead screw because you need to remove the end bearing to take the saddle off. You can remove the headstock easily as well. A set of wrenches and a couple of flat screwdrivers in good shape are all that is needed for tools. A couple of moderately strong helpers will come in handy. Some tie down straps as it is top heavy even with the above mentioned stuff removed. If you lift it with a strap the center of balance is approximately under the chuck. Use wood blocks to protect the lead screw from pressure of the strap. A few pieces of 2x4 will work. JP (19161)
IIRC, the 4 footer is between 800 to 900 lbs. No problem for the 4x8 open U-haul trailer. There have been many posts of guys hauling Bridgeports (2000+ lb) in them. Low trailer with cherry picker to unload is the best way, that's how I moved mine. Lift the load, have someone drive the trailer out from under, then you set it down on a pallet jack or dollies. Jeff front legs and rear cabinet? I figured a U-haul 4x8' open trailer, figured the cherry picker, with the low deck would be the easiest to load and unload? (19162)
I've moved my 4' heavy 10 toolroom twice with a relatively old well made American cherry picker (my dad made it in grad. school 40 years ago). No need to take it apart if you've got a decent hoist of some kind. TJ (19167)
A 13" Lathe is about 1500 pounds and in no problem in a 4 by 8 U- Haul. A heavy 10 should weigh even less. (19171)
Weight of a South Bend Model A
I've put a South Bend Model A bench lathe (not a cabinet lathe) on eBay and am getting questions about weight and shipping charges that I can't answer. Anybody here have an idea how much this lathe weighs? Larry (19659)
Its really not important as you cannot ship it via UPS or by the post office. It will ship (amazingly) for around 100.00 tops from anywhere to anywhere in the US via Forward Air. All you have to do is strap it to a pallet. There rates are amazing (19660)
I've used Forward Air before, myself. The shipper dropped off the stuff at a terminal near him and I picked it up at another one near me. They are a trucking company. I don't know why they call themselves Forward Air. Maybe because they ship stuff from the vicinity of one airport to another. Try googleling Forward Air. Glen (19661)
Model A Bed length Boxed Crated 3' 600 lbs 490 lbs 3 1/2' 615 lbs 505 lbs 4' 640 lbs 520 lbs 4 1/2 ' 670 lbs 535 lbs  (19662)
9" weight spec needed
My SB 9" toolroom lathe is currently in transit, and the shipper has, apparently, looked up the weight of the lathe on some catalog spec sheet, and come up with a weight of 600lb for just the lathe. As a result, they want to charge significantly more than the original estimate, which was based on a lesser weight. Might there be anyone out there who could scan of a spec sheet for a late 40's or early 50's SB 9" toolroom lathe, giving the assembled weight? At least with that I could force them to re-weigh it, rather than them relying on some erroneous catalog weight. Ed (20762)
Ed- Depends on a number of things. Is it a motor under or bench top model? Bed length? I have a 1944 catalog here. that lists a toolroom motor under as 630 pounds. They list the bench toolroom lathe as 400,425,450 pounds depending on bed length. Jeff  (20763)
Ed, You'd think they could just drive over to one of those scales and weigh the thing. Course that's assuming they know how much their truck and everything else weighs! They could wait until it is unloaded, once it is off the truck and then reweigh the truck. Then settle with you. I'm sure you'd be okay with that? Brian (20766)
I know, I know, but what can you do. They provided my uncle (who is the shipper) with a weight breakdown, listing the lathe alone as 600 lb. Looking in the files section I came across the scans of an add from 1948 Pop Sci - that ad lists the complete, crated shipping weight of the motor-under type A toolroom as 630lb. That should be about the _total_ weight of this shipment, as in fact that is exactly what is coming. But to take that as lathe-only weight and then add the crate and accessories on top is just wrong. Ed (20769)
It would help if you gave more info. A3 foot bed/3 1/2 ft. / 4 ft. is: 550 lbs boxed/ crated 440 lbs. 565 lbs " " 455 lbs 580 lbs " " 580 lbs (20772)
I have actually had them hit me with a "reweigh" charge before. Where I used a weight and they thought it was more, reweighed it, adjusted for the higher weight and slapped on the reweigh charge. I don't know about the weighing the truck thing, but a lot of times they have a scale right in the forklift. When the pick the crate it shows the weight. weigh the else then with that? (20773)
According to the ad in the image Ps07d.jpg in the Files a 9" motor-underneath 3.5' toolroom lathe was 630 lb. According to my uncle, the shipper had that weight (or close enough) listed for the lathe alone, and then had line item weights for each item on the list. In theory, the total shipping weight now should be about the same as the total shipping weight then, and frankly I doubt the shipper opened the crate and shrink wrap to weigh each item individually. And I would be immensely peeved if they did! Ed (20774)
Ed I just acquired a 9" model A myself so I've been perusing the web looking for information on it. I ran across the weight specs on one of the sites but don't remember which site it was. ( I'll send it to you when I find it again) Anyway, I do remember the weight spec because I just moved mine into a basement shop by myself and was curious about how heavy it really was. The South Bend co. speced the weight at 571 lbs. Ed (20965)
Weights of the various South Bend
Where I can find the weights of the various South Bend lathes?? Someone is giving me a SouthBend that has been "sitting under oily rags" for 15 years. It was in an Auto Shop class in a High School, and used to turn car axles. He doesn't remember which lathe it is, and I have to prepare the right structures etc. to get this beast down four steps and into a hurricane door. I am going to have a hard time to find 5 eager friends with good backs at the same time more than once if I'm not prepared!!!! I told him to at least measure the height from the spindle center to the lathe bed and that would get me 80% there. I can't seem to find the weights of these things listed anywhere? How heavy is YOURS? Bernie (25108)
The 10L (heavy 10) is 1000lbs with a 4.5' bed. (25111)
WOW! Is that including the stand? I know that is a girthy machine so that is probably just the lathe itself! Wow! do I have a job ahead of me! Bernie (25116)
Complete machine, half a ton, balance point is just under the chuck with the tailstock slid up to the spindle. (25118)
Heavy Ten lathes "Shipping Weight" which will include the shipping container (crate?) range from 810 lbs. to 1060 lbs. depending on bed length, w/ or w/o taper attachment, etc. This will include the cabinet (if it is a cabinet or "bench" model) or the cast iron pedestal base. The 9 inch bench models were sold w/o the bench. The customer was expected to supply the bench. Their shipping weights range from 335 lbs. to 430 lbs. depending on bed length, etc. The 9 inch cabinet model (or underneath motor drive) lathes were 550 lbs. to 570 lbs. crated. This includes the cabinet base. The 10K isn't listed in the catalogue that these weights were listed in but it is accentually the same as the 9 inch model. I would estimate that it would weigh about 10 lbs. to 20 lbs. more than is 9 inch counterpoint. It should be noted that the shipping weights do NOT include the weight of the motor because it wasn't included with the lathe. The customer paid extra for that. Webb (25119)
Container (crate?) range from 810 lbs. to 1060 lbs. depending on bed length, w/ or w/o taper attachment, etc. This will include the cabinet (if it is a cabinet or "bench" model) or the cast iron pedestal base. expected to supply the bench. Their shipping weights range from 335 lbs. to 430 lbs. depending on bed length, etc. The 9 inch cabinet model (or underneath motor drive) lathes were 550 lbs. to 570 lbs. crated. This includes the cabinet base. listed in but it is accentually the same as the 9 inch model. I would estimate that it would weigh about 10 lbs. to 20 lbs. more than is 9 inch counterpoint. weight of the motor because it wasn't included with the lathe. The customer paid extra for that. I have a catalog that does list the weight of a 10K and it is about 100 to 200 lbs. more than a model 9. It was a surprise to me too. David (25122)
According to my 1963 catalog, the crated weight (which is much less than the "boxed weight") is (all weights in pounds): 16" South Bend Toolroom Lathes 6 Ft Bed 2525 7 Ft Bed 2605 8 Ft Bed 2685 16" South Bend Engine Lathes 6 Ft Bed 2300 7 Ft Bed 2380 8 Ft Bed 2460 10 Ft Bed 2800 12 Ft Bed 2975 14 Ft Bed 3200 16-24" Large Swing Lathes 6 Ft Bed 2480 7 Ft Bed 2560 8 Ft Bed 2640 10 Ft Bed 2980 12 Ft Bed 3155 14 Ft Bed 3350 (Add 75 Lbs for 2-speed motor) 14-1/2" Lathes 5 Ft Bed 1995 6 Ft Bed 2070 7 Ft Bed 2145 8 Ft Bed 2225 (Above for Engine Lathes, add 185 lbs for Toolroom Lathes) 13" Lathes 4 Ft Bed 1460 5 Ft Bed 1510 6 Ft Bed 1560 7 Ft Bed 1615 (Above for Engine Lathes, add 155 lbs for Toolroom Lathes) 10" Floor Model Engine Lathes 3 Ft Bed 940 3-1/2 Ft Bed 960 4 Ft Bed 980 4-1/2 Ft Bed 1000 10" Cabinet Model Engine Lathes 3 Ft Bed 850 3-1/2 Ft Bed 880 4 Ft Bed 950 4-1/2 Ft Bed 980 10" Toolroom Floor Model Lathes 3 Ft Bed 990 3-1/2 Ft Bed 1010 4 Ft Bed 1030 10" Toolroom Cabinet Model Lathes 3 Ft Bed 960 3-1/2 Ft Bed 990 4 Ft Bed 1060 10-K Toolroom Bench Lathes 3 Ft Bed 520 3-1/2 Ft Bed 535 4 Ft Bed 550 10-K Bench Lathe, Model A 3 Ft Bed 490 3-1/2 Ft Bed 505 4 Ft Bed 520 4-1/2 Ft Bed 535 10-K Bench Lathe, Model B 3 Ft Bed 475 3-1/2 Ft Bed 490 4 Ft Bed 505 4-1/2 Ft Bed 520 10-K Bench Lathe, Model C 3 Ft Bed 465 3-1/2 Ft Bed 480 4 Ft Bed 495 4-1/2 Ft Bed 510 10-K Toolroom Cabinet Model Lathes 3-1/2 Ft Bed 750 4 Ft Bed 780 10-K Cabinet Model Lathe, Model A 3-1/2 Ft Bed 720 4 Ft Bed 750 4-1/2 Ft Bed 760 10-K Cabinet Model Lathe, Model B 3-1/2 Ft Bed 705 4 Ft Bed 730 4-1/2 Ft Bed 740 10-K Cabinet Model Lathe, Model C 3-1/2 Ft Bed 695 4 Ft Bed 720 4-1/2 Ft Bed 730 10-K Self Contained Drive Floor Model Toolroom Lathes 3 Ft Bed 700 3-1/2 Ft Bed 725 4 Ft Bed 750 10-K Self Contained Drive Floor Lathe, Model A 3 Ft Bed 650 3-1/2 Ft Bed 675 4 Ft Bed 700 4-1/2 Ft Bed 725 10-K Self Contained Drive Floor Lathe, Model B 3 Ft Bed 630 3-1/2 Ft Bed 655 4 Ft Bed 680 4-1/2 Ft Bed 705 10-K Self Contained Drive Floor Lathe, Model C 3 Ft Bed 620 3-1/2 Ft Bed 645 4 Ft Bed 670 4-1/2 Ft Bed 695 9" Toolroom Bench Lathes 3 Ft Bed 440 3-1/2 Ft Bed 455 4 Ft Bed 470 9" Bench Lathe, Model A 3 Ft Bed 390 3-1/2 Ft Bed 404 4 Ft Bed 420 4-1/2 Ft Bed 435 9" Bench Lathe, Model B 3 Ft Bed 375 3-1/2 Ft Bed 390 4 Ft Bed 405 4-1/2 Ft Bed 420 9" Bench Lathe, Model C 3 Ft Bed 365 3-1/2 Ft Bed 380 4 Ft Bed 395 4-1/2 Ft Bed 410 9" Toolroom Floor Lathes 3-1/2 Ft Bed 740 4 Ft Bed 760 9" Floor Model A 3-1/2 Ft Bed 710 4 Ft Bed 720 4-1/2 Ft Bed 730 9" Floor Model B 3-1/2 Ft Bed 695 4 Ft Bed 705 4-1/2 Ft Bed 715 9" Floor Model C 3-1/2 Ft Bed 685 4 Ft Bed 690 4-1/2 Ft Bed 695 There are more machines listed as well in this catalog, including the 17" Turn-nado Geared Head Lathe, Turret Lathes, 7" Shaper, Vertical Mill, Drill Press, and South Bend and Johnson Presses and pages and pages of accessories for the various machines, especially lathes. Everything listed with prices. If you would like a copy (color covers, B/W interior, ~100 pages, the cost is $30 plus $5 postage within the USA. Scott S. Logan (25126)
Thanks David for correcting me on the 10K weight. Scott, I was using Catalogue No: 25 for the weights I posted. There is no date inside so I don't know when the catalogue was printed. I paraphrased it where you were more specific. I did notice that some models were significantly different in weight (some lighter, some heavier) where other models were the same weight as listed in my catalogue. I wonder why the weights are different? Perhaps it is because the Heavy Ten listed in my catalogue are the single tumbler type and do not sport chip pans in the illustrations. This (plus the fact that there isn't any mention of the 10K Lathe) means that this catalogue is pretty old. Anyway, there is plenty of info now for the original poster to use. Webb (25128)
Don't overlook the possibility that it is a 13 or 16 which would be much heavier. Your best bet is to go look at it. Measure the distance from the center of the spindle to the bed and the length of the bed. Read the serial number found on top of the bed at the right read corner. Note the base style to see if it is a bench lathe, mounts on a cabinet, or has a cast iron pedestal and legs. (25159)
 
     
 

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